JuniorCaptain
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Reged: 03/07/2008
Posts: 28
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I was playing on Tuesday, when i proceeded to hit a wayward shot and narrowly missed the edge of the pond. When walking down to my ball, i saw to my disbeleif a squirrel bouncing along and run into my ball, which then toppled into the pond! So i now had to take a drop and continued to make a double bogey  . Is this fair?
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HomerJSimpson
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Reged: 06/08/2007
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Loc: Bracknell - Berkshire
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I thought that would be covered by outside influences which allows you to drop without penalty from the spot your ball originally came to rest. May be wrong but that is my interpretation
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realgolferuk
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Reged: 19/08/2007
Posts: 2452
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I might be wrong (second rules q? tonight), but an animal on the course would be deemed as an "outside agency". Any ball moved by an outside agency must be replaced and played without penalty.
If it could be fairly deemed that your ball had come to rest and then was moved by a squirel or anything/anyone other than your own caddie and natural incident, then you did not need to take a penalty.
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Nothing in the bag.....I just look at the ball and it goes straight....into the trees!!!
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viscount17
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Reged: 13/08/2007
Posts: 1904
Loc: Middle Earth,
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Rule 18 - Ball at Rest Moved
Rule 18-1 By Outside Agency
If a ball at rest is moved by an outside agency, there is no penalty and the ball must be replaced.
Note: It is a question of fact whether a ball has been moved by an outside agency. In order to apply this Rule, it must be known or virtually certain that an outside agency has moved the ball. In the absence of such knowledge or certainty, the player must play the ball as it lies or, if the ball is not found, proceed under Rule 27-1.
Outside Agency
In match play, an “outside agency” is any agency other than either the player’s or opponent’s side,any caddie of either side, any ball played by either side at the hole being played or any equipment of either side. In stroke play, an outside agency is any agency other than the competitor’s side,any caddie of the side, any ball played by the side at the hole being played or any equipment of the side.
An outside agency includes a referee,a marker, an observer and a forecaddie. Neither wind nor water is an outside agency.
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birdieman
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Reged: 28/02/2007
Posts: 1293
Loc: Aberdeenshire
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Squirrels moving golf balls indeed!
Did it pick up the ball with it's little front feet and walk on it's hind legs to the edge of the pond and drop it in? Wow! 
Was the squirrel blind and just didn't see the large white ball in front of it? 
Did it think you're ProV1 was a big hazelnut? If so why did it knock it in the pond and not take it away to it's stash of nuts in the woods?
Or did JC hit his ball in the pond in the first place and try to convince his opponent that a squirrel dropped it in the pond in order to avoid a penalty shot!
A good tale JC, now pull the other one!! 
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forefortheday
enthusiast
Reged: 16/01/2008
Posts: 243
Loc: Liverpool
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Ball moved by an outside agency for me!
Mate had a crow come and swoop his ball away from the fairway once, same crow then did it to the party behind us had this vision of it sitting on 1,000 balls in the wood going "anyday now my babies will hatch"
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Gil_Emott
enthusiast
Reged: 28/04/2008
Posts: 304
Loc: Derby
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We had a crow causing trouble at our club. One of the members is a farmer with a nice collection of shotguns.
Now he's no trouble at all! !
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craigmitchell_qs
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Reged: 22/07/2008
Posts: 96
Loc: Wishaw, Scotland
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I was palying in a fourball at Ralston Golf Club in Paisley a couple of weeks and all four of us hit acceptable drives on a short par 4. After each drive stopped rolling on the fairway a fox bounded out of it's hiding place in the bushes to the right hand side of the rough, picked up the ball and retreated to whence it came. We managed to recover 3 of the four balls. The ball that was missing ( not mine) was the only ProV1 out of the four which leads me to suspect that the foxy in question is highly trained and a part of the "refurbed proV1" racket.
Damn you, furry creatures of the forest! Don't you know those are £35 a dozen?
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 TonyN
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Reged: 24/01/2008
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I suspect they do know they are £35 a dozen, thats why he's robbing them! How sly!
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craigmitchell_qs
journeyman
Reged: 22/07/2008
Posts: 96
Loc: Wishaw, Scotland
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I find myself wondering if the criminal mastermind behind the whole racket is none other than.......
Snow White
You know, start the innocent creatures out with a little light housework and before they know it they're doing her evil bidding and she's raking it in at the expense of the poor club golfer.
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realgolferuk
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Reged: 19/08/2007
Posts: 2452
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Quote:
Did it think you're ProV1 was a big hazelnut? If so why did it knock it in the pond and not take it away to it's stash of nuts in the woods?
It's got me thinking......maybe I can buy an army of squirrels (off ebay?) train them to identify/steal good quality balls and trade pro Vs for nuts....
That's how you buy Pro Vs for peanuts. 
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